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	<title>Comments on: Curricular Musings: Inviting in the Students</title>
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		<title>By: Parker Woodworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parker Woodworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came across this post a little late, but feel inclined to lend my two cents nonetheless:

John,

I can certainly appreciate your stance on distribution requirements.  The spirit of a liberal arts education is to allow and encourage students to engage in a significant breadth and depth of study, and attempting to steer that exploration can interfere with a student&#039;s educational agenda.  In the same sense, a liberal arts education is lacking if it produces graduates without an academically diverse background.  

As you point out, Middlebury students generally arrive with four years of vigorous secondary school under their belts.  However, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s unreasonable to require students to continue to branch out during college.  Middlebury, as you correctly assessed, is extremely expensive.  I would hope that someone with a $200,000 degree would have at least some basic understanding of history, for example, or at least fundamental deductive reasoning skills.  To dismiss Middlebury&#039;s duty to produce graduates with facility in many disciplines on the basis that they may or may not have been exposed to them in high school does students a disservice.

Many students talk about &quot;getting around requirements&quot; or &quot;taking the easy way out&quot; by, for example, taking a CW in the math department (for a math-brained student) or taking logic for a DED requirement (for a humanities-prone individual).  This isn&#039;t avoiding requirements at all, but living exactly in the spirit of them: an english lit major who had a visceral reaction to algebra probably won&#039;t get much out of calculus, but could benefit from the deductive reasoning that logic offers.  Similarly, the finer points of Kafka might be lost on a physics major who would greatly enjoy learning about important mathematicians while honing his or her writing skills.  It&#039;s unlikely that either student would take those classes without the requirement, and it&#039;s undeniable that both would benefit.

To many, the goal of a liberal arts education is to dedicate four years to studying whatever seems interesting.  Unfortunately, this attitude will not always produce the dynamic and multi-faceted graduates which Middlebury prides itself on cultivating. 

I hope I&#039;ve at least provided some food for thought in your considerations of distribution requirements.

Parker]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this post a little late, but feel inclined to lend my two cents nonetheless:</p>
<p>John,</p>
<p>I can certainly appreciate your stance on distribution requirements.  The spirit of a liberal arts education is to allow and encourage students to engage in a significant breadth and depth of study, and attempting to steer that exploration can interfere with a student&#8217;s educational agenda.  In the same sense, a liberal arts education is lacking if it produces graduates without an academically diverse background.  </p>
<p>As you point out, Middlebury students generally arrive with four years of vigorous secondary school under their belts.  However, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unreasonable to require students to continue to branch out during college.  Middlebury, as you correctly assessed, is extremely expensive.  I would hope that someone with a $200,000 degree would have at least some basic understanding of history, for example, or at least fundamental deductive reasoning skills.  To dismiss Middlebury&#8217;s duty to produce graduates with facility in many disciplines on the basis that they may or may not have been exposed to them in high school does students a disservice.</p>
<p>Many students talk about &#8220;getting around requirements&#8221; or &#8220;taking the easy way out&#8221; by, for example, taking a CW in the math department (for a math-brained student) or taking logic for a DED requirement (for a humanities-prone individual).  This isn&#8217;t avoiding requirements at all, but living exactly in the spirit of them: an english lit major who had a visceral reaction to algebra probably won&#8217;t get much out of calculus, but could benefit from the deductive reasoning that logic offers.  Similarly, the finer points of Kafka might be lost on a physics major who would greatly enjoy learning about important mathematicians while honing his or her writing skills.  It&#8217;s unlikely that either student would take those classes without the requirement, and it&#8217;s undeniable that both would benefit.</p>
<p>To many, the goal of a liberal arts education is to dedicate four years to studying whatever seems interesting.  Unfortunately, this attitude will not always produce the dynamic and multi-faceted graduates which Middlebury prides itself on cultivating. </p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;ve at least provided some food for thought in your considerations of distribution requirements.</p>
<p>Parker</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Liebowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Liebowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,

Thanks for your comments.  I will leave it to my faculty colleagues who glance at this blog to offer up some arguments for distribution requirements at Middlebury.

I, personally, have some strong views on what students who graduate with a college degree ought to know, and maybe that will be a soon-to-be post on this blog.  I will say that while I have those views, I share some of what you voice here.  I am not so sure our current requirements, which in essence were passed by the faculty in the early-to-mid 1990s, with some minor tweaks after, are the most relevant for our students today.

I proposed two years ago to our Ed Affairs Comm that we revisit our distribution requirements and reduce them significantly and/or simplify them significantly, but the faculty did not agree that change was needed.

I think the issue of requirements needs some kind of review, along with our very conservative and restrictive stance (relative to about 70 other liberal arts colleges) regarding the ability of our students to take even 1 course Pass/Fail.  That is, as I understand the latest information, we might be the last liberal arts college (among 70 queried) to not allow a P/F option for a regular semester course.  I have changed my position on this over the course of my 26 years here, and hope we have a chance to discuss this issue, too, sometime this year.

I will bring the issue of distribution requirements up once again with our Ed Affairs Committee and see how interested they are now in this issue.  Perhaps students sponsoring an open forum on this issue (and the P/F issue) might be a good idea.

Ron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.  I will leave it to my faculty colleagues who glance at this blog to offer up some arguments for distribution requirements at Middlebury.</p>
<p>I, personally, have some strong views on what students who graduate with a college degree ought to know, and maybe that will be a soon-to-be post on this blog.  I will say that while I have those views, I share some of what you voice here.  I am not so sure our current requirements, which in essence were passed by the faculty in the early-to-mid 1990s, with some minor tweaks after, are the most relevant for our students today.</p>
<p>I proposed two years ago to our Ed Affairs Comm that we revisit our distribution requirements and reduce them significantly and/or simplify them significantly, but the faculty did not agree that change was needed.</p>
<p>I think the issue of requirements needs some kind of review, along with our very conservative and restrictive stance (relative to about 70 other liberal arts colleges) regarding the ability of our students to take even 1 course Pass/Fail.  That is, as I understand the latest information, we might be the last liberal arts college (among 70 queried) to not allow a P/F option for a regular semester course.  I have changed my position on this over the course of my 26 years here, and hope we have a chance to discuss this issue, too, sometime this year.</p>
<p>I will bring the issue of distribution requirements up once again with our Ed Affairs Committee and see how interested they are now in this issue.  Perhaps students sponsoring an open forum on this issue (and the P/F issue) might be a good idea.</p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>By: John Gill</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 16:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Midd Junior, I have to say that I personally have one issue with the Middlebury curriculum.  I really don&#039;t understand the need for distribution requirements at all.  I haven&#039;t heard a convincing argument in favor of them yet, and indeed, I have found in my time at Middlebury that distribution requirements have done nothing but hinder, not enhance, my academic experience.

First off, as a competitive and selective college in terms of admissions, any Middlebury College student likely has had a varied academic experience upon arriving to Middlebury as a freshman.  From the admissions website:

&quot;Middlebury does not require a specific secondary school program of study, but we suggest:

Four years of English
Four years of one foreign language
Four years of mathematics and/or computer science
Three or more years of laboratory science
Three or more years of history
Some study of music, art or drama&quot;

Clearly, most Middlebury students have already experienced a wide swath of academic options before taking their first Middlebury class.  If a student has already taken AP Calc BC, AP Biology, AP Chemisty and AP Physics in high school, but doesn&#039;t want to take a SCI or DED at Midd because they want to focus on languages or a social science, why should they have to?

Some of Middlebury&#039;s academic peers agree that distribution requirements aren&#039;t an essential factor in providing a liberal arts education (Amherst, Brown) and I would laugh at anyone who would tell me that an Amherst grad&#039;s academic experience is any less varied, broad, or &#039;diverse&#039; as a Midd grad&#039;s; I would go so far as to say that a &quot;truly&quot; liberal liberal arts education is one that endows its students both with the responsibility and the freedom to choose their own academic path.  Middlebury College students are adults when they arrive on campus as freshman, and they should be the masters of their own academic ship.  Students should have complete freedom over the classes they want to take in their four year, 36 course, $200,000+ Middlebury experience.

I would really appreciate hearing a truly convincing argument in favor of distribution requirements.

Sincerely,

John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Midd Junior, I have to say that I personally have one issue with the Middlebury curriculum.  I really don&#8217;t understand the need for distribution requirements at all.  I haven&#8217;t heard a convincing argument in favor of them yet, and indeed, I have found in my time at Middlebury that distribution requirements have done nothing but hinder, not enhance, my academic experience.</p>
<p>First off, as a competitive and selective college in terms of admissions, any Middlebury College student likely has had a varied academic experience upon arriving to Middlebury as a freshman.  From the admissions website:</p>
<p>&#8220;Middlebury does not require a specific secondary school program of study, but we suggest:</p>
<p>Four years of English<br />
Four years of one foreign language<br />
Four years of mathematics and/or computer science<br />
Three or more years of laboratory science<br />
Three or more years of history<br />
Some study of music, art or drama&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly, most Middlebury students have already experienced a wide swath of academic options before taking their first Middlebury class.  If a student has already taken AP Calc BC, AP Biology, AP Chemisty and AP Physics in high school, but doesn&#8217;t want to take a SCI or DED at Midd because they want to focus on languages or a social science, why should they have to?</p>
<p>Some of Middlebury&#8217;s academic peers agree that distribution requirements aren&#8217;t an essential factor in providing a liberal arts education (Amherst, Brown) and I would laugh at anyone who would tell me that an Amherst grad&#8217;s academic experience is any less varied, broad, or &#8216;diverse&#8217; as a Midd grad&#8217;s; I would go so far as to say that a &#8220;truly&#8221; liberal liberal arts education is one that endows its students both with the responsibility and the freedom to choose their own academic path.  Middlebury College students are adults when they arrive on campus as freshman, and they should be the masters of their own academic ship.  Students should have complete freedom over the classes they want to take in their four year, 36 course, $200,000+ Middlebury experience.</p>
<p>I would really appreciate hearing a truly convincing argument in favor of distribution requirements.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Priscilla Bremser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priscilla Bremser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chiming in late here... but I want to point out that the faculty at the Breadloaf meeting did actually hear from some students -- namely the Solar Decathalon team, ably represented by Katie Romanov.  This is a wonderful project, and the team has already done well in an international competition. For more information, see http://solardecathlon.middlebury.edu/index.php .  (Full disclosure:  I&#039;ve had several of these students in class, and I&#039;m not at all surprised that they&#039;re involved.)  Both Katie and the President noted the strengths brought by liberal arts students to this team effort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiming in late here&#8230; but I want to point out that the faculty at the Breadloaf meeting did actually hear from some students &#8212; namely the Solar Decathalon team, ably represented by Katie Romanov.  This is a wonderful project, and the team has already done well in an international competition. For more information, see <a href="http://solardecathlon.middlebury.edu/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://solardecathlon.middlebury.edu/index.php</a> .  (Full disclosure:  I&#8217;ve had several of these students in class, and I&#8217;m not at all surprised that they&#8217;re involved.)  Both Katie and the President noted the strengths brought by liberal arts students to this team effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Liebowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Liebowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brittany: I did not take your comments in anything but a constructive way, and thank you for providing ideas...and committing to keep the discussion going through SGA and the SEAC.  Much appreciated.

RL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brittany: I did not take your comments in anything but a constructive way, and thank you for providing ideas&#8230;and committing to keep the discussion going through SGA and the SEAC.  Much appreciated.</p>
<p>RL</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany Gendron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany Gendron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[President Liebowitz and Anonymous,

Thank you for the dialogue on this matter! And absolutely, offering concrete alternatives was the aim of my comment (and proposal), I did not intend in any way for it to be disparaging. I never knew the SEAC existed before reading this blog and I am contacting my senators about this matter immediately. 

I can also greatly appreciate the concern over the issue of increasing the requirements: which is why what I initially proposed and will continue to propose is a four/five of seven type system, similar to how the academic requirements are given, which would not (or barely) increase the requirements. It would not be possible or reasonable to ask students to take a course pertaining to all the academic areas and all cultural &amp; civilizations areas and I would never advocate for forcing all to be mandated. However to be competitive in the global arena and the complex and dynamic times in which we live (as one of your questions asked President Liebowitz) it will be to the benefit of the Middlebury community to appreciate and respect on an equal plane all areas of the world. 

Looking forward to a continued discussion on the curriculum of our great institution!

Yours respectfully, 
Brittany]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Liebowitz and Anonymous,</p>
<p>Thank you for the dialogue on this matter! And absolutely, offering concrete alternatives was the aim of my comment (and proposal), I did not intend in any way for it to be disparaging. I never knew the SEAC existed before reading this blog and I am contacting my senators about this matter immediately. </p>
<p>I can also greatly appreciate the concern over the issue of increasing the requirements: which is why what I initially proposed and will continue to propose is a four/five of seven type system, similar to how the academic requirements are given, which would not (or barely) increase the requirements. It would not be possible or reasonable to ask students to take a course pertaining to all the academic areas and all cultural &amp; civilizations areas and I would never advocate for forcing all to be mandated. However to be competitive in the global arena and the complex and dynamic times in which we live (as one of your questions asked President Liebowitz) it will be to the benefit of the Middlebury community to appreciate and respect on an equal plane all areas of the world. </p>
<p>Looking forward to a continued discussion on the curriculum of our great institution!</p>
<p>Yours respectfully,<br />
Brittany</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Liebowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Liebowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 00:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brittany and Anonymous: there has been discussion over the years about the cultures and civilizations requirements, and they have been amended since they were first introduced about 15 years ago.

Perhaps engaging the SEAC and offering some concrete alternatives would be productive.  Just be careful about the number of &quot;requirements&quot; you begin to propose, or at least consider the consequences.  Faculty have their issues with requirements (which areas of the curriculum are you saying are more important than mine by requiring some and not others?), and so do students (if one is required to do more and more courses, one has less freedom to choose one&#039;s course of study, and the chances to double major, something I don&#039;t personally like or endorse, will be reduced).

So engage other students, your faculty advisers, the SEAC, and propose some alternatives.

Ron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brittany and Anonymous: there has been discussion over the years about the cultures and civilizations requirements, and they have been amended since they were first introduced about 15 years ago.</p>
<p>Perhaps engaging the SEAC and offering some concrete alternatives would be productive.  Just be careful about the number of &#8220;requirements&#8221; you begin to propose, or at least consider the consequences.  Faculty have their issues with requirements (which areas of the curriculum are you saying are more important than mine by requiring some and not others?), and so do students (if one is required to do more and more courses, one has less freedom to choose one&#8217;s course of study, and the chances to double major, something I don&#8217;t personally like or endorse, will be reduced).</p>
<p>So engage other students, your faculty advisers, the SEAC, and propose some alternatives.</p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 00:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. We could increase the number of requirements to 6 or 7 then make one optional, allowing for a greater diversity of options without bring forced to take a large number of requirements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. We could increase the number of requirements to 6 or 7 then make one optional, allowing for a greater diversity of options without bring forced to take a large number of requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany Gendron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany Gendron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a junior here at the college, I greatly appreciate this post and knowledge that the curriculum is being discussed. However, as the line is &#039;inviting the students&#039; I would also like to explore one of the large issues I believe is plaguing the curriculum: the AAL cultural requirement (a stance which I say with confidence many colleagues of mine support... just ask Dean Shirley what students had to say of the Curriculum at Residential Life Training, which also happened upon the beloved land of Breadloaf). For priding itself to be a global institution, clumping (the following as quoted from the catalog) &quot;courses that focus on some aspect of the cultures and civilizations of Africa, Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, and the Caribbean&quot; is something of which we as an institution should be ashamed. Each of these places in itself is so incredibly broad, with such rich culture, history, and experience. Until Middlebury equates all lands of the earth in the cultural requirement, the curriculum will always be blemished in my personal view. Obviously it wouldn&#039;t be practical to adopt a requirement for each seperate area and there are many opinions of how one could even attempt to put definite dividers on cultures of the world--however anything more than what we have now would be progess. I would encourage an exploration of adopting a policy of five of seven for example if using the ones explicitly listed in the requirement (North America, European, CMP, Africa, Asia, Middle East, Carribean). I know this is a discussion that has been occuring for many years, however I hope that as the curriculum is being evaluated, we do not cast this aside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a junior here at the college, I greatly appreciate this post and knowledge that the curriculum is being discussed. However, as the line is &#8216;inviting the students&#8217; I would also like to explore one of the large issues I believe is plaguing the curriculum: the AAL cultural requirement (a stance which I say with confidence many colleagues of mine support&#8230; just ask Dean Shirley what students had to say of the Curriculum at Residential Life Training, which also happened upon the beloved land of Breadloaf). For priding itself to be a global institution, clumping (the following as quoted from the catalog) &#8220;courses that focus on some aspect of the cultures and civilizations of Africa, Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, and the Caribbean&#8221; is something of which we as an institution should be ashamed. Each of these places in itself is so incredibly broad, with such rich culture, history, and experience. Until Middlebury equates all lands of the earth in the cultural requirement, the curriculum will always be blemished in my personal view. Obviously it wouldn&#8217;t be practical to adopt a requirement for each seperate area and there are many opinions of how one could even attempt to put definite dividers on cultures of the world&#8211;however anything more than what we have now would be progess. I would encourage an exploration of adopting a policy of five of seven for example if using the ones explicitly listed in the requirement (North America, European, CMP, Africa, Asia, Middle East, Carribean). I know this is a discussion that has been occuring for many years, however I hope that as the curriculum is being evaluated, we do not cast this aside.</p>
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		<title>By: Things That Happened, Things To Do—Week of September 13 - Middlebury Magazine</title>
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