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	<title>Comments on: I Can Read Faces! My Wager On The Election Results</title>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay, you should go back to doing the stat-based approach. It seems to work better. Don&#039;t be the Murray Chase of pollsters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, you should go back to doing the stat-based approach. It seems to work better. Don&#8217;t be the Murray Chase of pollsters.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dickinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay,

Thanks for the response. I&#039;ve followed you since you were at the RCP and am familiar with and admire your work. You are right to point out that you shouldn&#039;t be grouped with the traditional pundits. If the world is still standing after tonight, I&#039;d like to discuss in greater detail why you have soured on the the statistical analyses that many of my colleagues are increasingly turning to.  Nate Silver and I had a good discussion on this topic earlier, and it would be great to get your thoughts.  

Meanwhile - good luck tonight!

- Matt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response. I&#8217;ve followed you since you were at the RCP and am familiar with and admire your work. You are right to point out that you shouldn&#8217;t be grouped with the traditional pundits. If the world is still standing after tonight, I&#8217;d like to discuss in greater detail why you have soured on the the statistical analyses that many of my colleagues are increasingly turning to.  Nate Silver and I had a good discussion on this topic earlier, and it would be great to get your thoughts.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile &#8211; good luck tonight!</p>
<p>- Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Cost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Cost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew,

Thank you for mentioning my piece in your post! A few points of clarification:

I am not a &quot;traditional pundit&quot; insofar as I am quite familiar with the methodologies of the &quot;quants,&quot; and have written at length about why I think their approaches are lacking. Most recently, I wrote a post explaining how the polls of Ohio are non-normally distributed, thus creating potentially intractable difficulties in putting together a probability estimate from the polls (which appear to be bi-modal).

In fact, I started blogging in 2004 by doing a very version of what Silver, Linzer, etc. are doing -- confidence intervals off state poll averages. It is quite easy to do, in fact. I do not do it anymore because I no longer think the approach is a good one.

In particular: one could very easily put together a statistically powerful predictive model built around the final Gallup poll of likely voters. It shows a Romney victory. Similarly, various predictive models built on fundamentals -- e.g. Hibbs&#039;s Bread &amp; Peace -- show a comfortable Romney win.

This gets to my fundamental methodological objection with the &quot;quants,&quot; which as I stated in the column you site, it creates a false sense of precision. One can use different variables to build a model that predicts the past with great accuracy AND points to dramatically different results today.

Regards,
Jay Cost]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>Thank you for mentioning my piece in your post! A few points of clarification:</p>
<p>I am not a &#8220;traditional pundit&#8221; insofar as I am quite familiar with the methodologies of the &#8220;quants,&#8221; and have written at length about why I think their approaches are lacking. Most recently, I wrote a post explaining how the polls of Ohio are non-normally distributed, thus creating potentially intractable difficulties in putting together a probability estimate from the polls (which appear to be bi-modal).</p>
<p>In fact, I started blogging in 2004 by doing a very version of what Silver, Linzer, etc. are doing &#8212; confidence intervals off state poll averages. It is quite easy to do, in fact. I do not do it anymore because I no longer think the approach is a good one.</p>
<p>In particular: one could very easily put together a statistically powerful predictive model built around the final Gallup poll of likely voters. It shows a Romney victory. Similarly, various predictive models built on fundamentals &#8212; e.g. Hibbs&#8217;s Bread &amp; Peace &#8212; show a comfortable Romney win.</p>
<p>This gets to my fundamental methodological objection with the &#8220;quants,&#8221; which as I stated in the column you site, it creates a false sense of precision. One can use different variables to build a model that predicts the past with great accuracy AND points to dramatically different results today.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Jay Cost</p>
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		<title>By: Johnatrisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnatrisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you think about the problems with likely voter mis-reporting? (I like to call it lying.) I thought that most recent research on voter validation and intentions is that the actual voting sample was much more representative of the registered rather than likely voting population (and drifting slowly towards the entire population demographics).  I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about the implications of the Ansolabehere &amp; Hersh and the Rogers &amp; Aida papers...it would seem to suggest that when all is said and done, there will likely be a small but potentially significant systematic bias towards Obama. Probably not enough to flip NC, but probably enough to make a large difference in VA or FL. In fact, Romney more or less &quot;caps out&quot; nationally among registered (not likely) voters at, I&#039;m not kidding, 47%.

More details &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnatrisk.blogspot.com/2012/10/likely-liars-or-why-you-should-ignore.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think about the problems with likely voter mis-reporting? (I like to call it lying.) I thought that most recent research on voter validation and intentions is that the actual voting sample was much more representative of the registered rather than likely voting population (and drifting slowly towards the entire population demographics).  I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about the implications of the Ansolabehere &amp; Hersh and the Rogers &amp; Aida papers&#8230;it would seem to suggest that when all is said and done, there will likely be a small but potentially significant systematic bias towards Obama. Probably not enough to flip NC, but probably enough to make a large difference in VA or FL. In fact, Romney more or less &#8220;caps out&#8221; nationally among registered (not likely) voters at, I&#8217;m not kidding, 47%.</p>
<p>More details <a href="http://johnatrisk.blogspot.com/2012/10/likely-liars-or-why-you-should-ignore.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Louis Tiemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Tiemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Sean Trende&#039;s analysis of the divergence in national vs state polling is a good read too: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/06/2012_a_close_race_with_a_high_degree_of_uncertainty.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sean Trende&#8217;s analysis of the divergence in national vs state polling is a good read too: <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/06/2012_a_close_race_with_a_high_degree_of_uncertainty.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/06/2012_a_close_race_with_a_high_degree_of_uncertainty.html</a></p>
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