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		<title>By: toto</title>
		<link>http://sites.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/2012/10/13/about-that-electoral-college-firewall/comment-page-1/#comment-31203</link>
		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[80% of the states and people have been merely spectators to presidential elections. They have no influence. That&#039;s more than 85 million voters, 200 million Americans, ignored. When and where voters are ignored, then so are the issues they care about most. 

The number and population of battleground states is shrinking.

Policies important to the citizens of ‘flyover’ states are not as highly
prioritized as policies important to ‘battleground’ states when it comes to governing.

A shift of a few thousand voters in one or two states would have elected the second-place candidate in 4 of the 13 presidential elections since World War II. Near misses are now frequently common. There have been 6 consecutive non-landslide presidential elections (1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008). 537 popular votes won Florida and the White House for Bush in 2000 despite Gore&#039;s lead of 537,179 (1,000 times more) popular votes nationwide. A shift of 60,000 voters in Ohio in 2004 would have defeated President Bush despite his nationwide lead of over 3 million votes.

Most Americans don&#039;t care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state. . . they care whether he/she wins the White House. Voters want to know, that even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was directly and equally counted and mattered to their candidate. Most Americans think it&#039;s wrong for the candidate with the most popular votes to lose. We don&#039;t allow this in any other election in our representative republic.

I included the link to the polls, for anyone interested, to find the specifics of each poll.
http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php

By state (electoral college votes), by political affiliation, support for a national popular vote in recent polls has been:

AK (3)- 78% among (Democrats), 66% among (Republicans), 70% among Nonpartisan voters, 82% among Alaska Independent Party voters, and 69% among Others.
AR (6)- 88%(D), 71%(R), and 79%(Independents).
CA (55)– 76%(D), 61%(R), and 74%(I)
CO (9)- 79%(D), 56%(R), and 70%(I).
CT (7)- 80%(D), 67%(R), and 71% (O)
DE (3)- 79%(D), 69%(R), and 76%(I)
DC (3)- 80%(D), 48%(R), and 74% of (I)
ID(4)- 84%(D), 75%(R), and 75% (O)
FL (29)- 88%(D), 68%(R), and 76% (O)
IA (6)- 82%(D), 63%(R), and 77% (O)
KY (8)- 88%(D), 71%(R), and 70%(I)
ME (4)- 85%(D), 70%(R), and 73% (O)
MA (11)- 86%(D), 54%(R), and 68% (O)
MI (16)- 78%(D), 68%(R), and 73%(I)
MN (10)- 84%(D), 69%(R), and 68% (O)
MS (6)- 79%(D), 75%(R), and 75% (O)
NE (5)- 79%(D), 70%(R), and 75% (O)
NV (5)- 80%(D), 66%(R), and 68% (O)
NH (4)- 80%(D), 57%(R), and 69%(I)
NM (5)- 84%(D), 64%(R), and 68%(I)
NY (29)- 86%(D), 66%(R), 78% Independence, 50% Conservative, 100% Working Families, and 7% (O)
NC (15)- 75% liberal (D), 78% moderate (D), 76% conservative (D), 89% liberal (R), 62% moderate (R), 70% conservative (R), and 80%(I)
OH (18)- 81%(D), 65%(R), and 61% (O)
OK (7)- 84%(D), 75%(R), and 75% (O)
OR (7)- 82%(D), 70%(R), and 72%(I)
PA (20)- 87%(D), 68%(R), and 76%(I)
RI (4)- 86% liberal (D), 85% moderate (D), 60% conservative (D), 71% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), 35% conservative (R), and 78%(I),
SD (3)- 84%(D), 67%(R), and 75% (O)
UT (6)- 82%(D), 66%(R), and 75% (O)
VT (3)- 86%(D); 61%(R), and 74% (O)
VA (13)- 79% liberal (D), 86% moderate (D), 79% conservative (D), 76% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), and 54% conservative (R), and 79% (O) 
WA (12)- 88% (D), 65% (R), and 73% (O)
WV (5)- 87% (D), 75% (R), and 73% (O)
WI (10)- 81% (D), 63% (R), and 67% (I)
WY (3) – 77% (D), 66% (R), and 72% (I)	

http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>80% of the states and people have been merely spectators to presidential elections. They have no influence. That&#8217;s more than 85 million voters, 200 million Americans, ignored. When and where voters are ignored, then so are the issues they care about most. </p>
<p>The number and population of battleground states is shrinking.</p>
<p>Policies important to the citizens of ‘flyover’ states are not as highly<br />
prioritized as policies important to ‘battleground’ states when it comes to governing.</p>
<p>A shift of a few thousand voters in one or two states would have elected the second-place candidate in 4 of the 13 presidential elections since World War II. Near misses are now frequently common. There have been 6 consecutive non-landslide presidential elections (1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008). 537 popular votes won Florida and the White House for Bush in 2000 despite Gore&#8217;s lead of 537,179 (1,000 times more) popular votes nationwide. A shift of 60,000 voters in Ohio in 2004 would have defeated President Bush despite his nationwide lead of over 3 million votes.</p>
<p>Most Americans don&#8217;t care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state. . . they care whether he/she wins the White House. Voters want to know, that even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was directly and equally counted and mattered to their candidate. Most Americans think it&#8217;s wrong for the candidate with the most popular votes to lose. We don&#8217;t allow this in any other election in our representative republic.</p>
<p>I included the link to the polls, for anyone interested, to find the specifics of each poll.<br />
<a href="http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php" rel="nofollow">http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php</a></p>
<p>By state (electoral college votes), by political affiliation, support for a national popular vote in recent polls has been:</p>
<p>AK (3)- 78% among (Democrats), 66% among (Republicans), 70% among Nonpartisan voters, 82% among Alaska Independent Party voters, and 69% among Others.<br />
AR (6)- 88%(D), 71%(R), and 79%(Independents).<br />
CA (55)– 76%(D), 61%(R), and 74%(I)<br />
CO (9)- 79%(D), 56%(R), and 70%(I).<br />
CT (7)- 80%(D), 67%(R), and 71% (O)<br />
DE (3)- 79%(D), 69%(R), and 76%(I)<br />
DC (3)- 80%(D), 48%(R), and 74% of (I)<br />
ID(4)- 84%(D), 75%(R), and 75% (O)<br />
FL (29)- 88%(D), 68%(R), and 76% (O)<br />
IA (6)- 82%(D), 63%(R), and 77% (O)<br />
KY (8)- 88%(D), 71%(R), and 70%(I)<br />
ME (4)- 85%(D), 70%(R), and 73% (O)<br />
MA (11)- 86%(D), 54%(R), and 68% (O)<br />
MI (16)- 78%(D), 68%(R), and 73%(I)<br />
MN (10)- 84%(D), 69%(R), and 68% (O)<br />
MS (6)- 79%(D), 75%(R), and 75% (O)<br />
NE (5)- 79%(D), 70%(R), and 75% (O)<br />
NV (5)- 80%(D), 66%(R), and 68% (O)<br />
NH (4)- 80%(D), 57%(R), and 69%(I)<br />
NM (5)- 84%(D), 64%(R), and 68%(I)<br />
NY (29)- 86%(D), 66%(R), 78% Independence, 50% Conservative, 100% Working Families, and 7% (O)<br />
NC (15)- 75% liberal (D), 78% moderate (D), 76% conservative (D), 89% liberal (R), 62% moderate (R), 70% conservative (R), and 80%(I)<br />
OH (18)- 81%(D), 65%(R), and 61% (O)<br />
OK (7)- 84%(D), 75%(R), and 75% (O)<br />
OR (7)- 82%(D), 70%(R), and 72%(I)<br />
PA (20)- 87%(D), 68%(R), and 76%(I)<br />
RI (4)- 86% liberal (D), 85% moderate (D), 60% conservative (D), 71% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), 35% conservative (R), and 78%(I),<br />
SD (3)- 84%(D), 67%(R), and 75% (O)<br />
UT (6)- 82%(D), 66%(R), and 75% (O)<br />
VT (3)- 86%(D); 61%(R), and 74% (O)<br />
VA (13)- 79% liberal (D), 86% moderate (D), 79% conservative (D), 76% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), and 54% conservative (R), and 79% (O)<br />
WA (12)- 88% (D), 65% (R), and 73% (O)<br />
WV (5)- 87% (D), 75% (R), and 73% (O)<br />
WI (10)- 81% (D), 63% (R), and 67% (I)<br />
WY (3) – 77% (D), 66% (R), and 72% (I)	</p>
<p><a href="http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php" rel="nofollow">http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sheldon Sloan</title>
		<link>http://sites.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/2012/10/13/about-that-electoral-college-firewall/comment-page-1/#comment-31092</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I quite agree with Matt.

Figures lie and liars figure.  Let me write the questions and I will guarantee the answer I want will result.

That is why just looking at polls without raw data, including the exact questions asked, and in what order, can be misleading.  Pollsters have &quot;push&quot; questions and after all the raw data is acquired, they then &quot;massage&quot; the answers by a process called &quot;weighting&quot;.

Unless you also know which weighting is utilized, again, the answers can be misleading.

I certainly wouldn&#039;t want a popular vote to determine the election.  We&#039;ve done it this way for over 200 years; if it ain&#039;t broke, don&#039;t fix it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite agree with Matt.</p>
<p>Figures lie and liars figure.  Let me write the questions and I will guarantee the answer I want will result.</p>
<p>That is why just looking at polls without raw data, including the exact questions asked, and in what order, can be misleading.  Pollsters have &#8220;push&#8221; questions and after all the raw data is acquired, they then &#8220;massage&#8221; the answers by a process called &#8220;weighting&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unless you also know which weighting is utilized, again, the answers can be misleading.</p>
<p>I certainly wouldn&#8217;t want a popular vote to determine the election.  We&#8217;ve done it this way for over 200 years; if it ain&#8217;t broke, don&#8217;t fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dickinson</title>
		<link>http://sites.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/2012/10/13/about-that-electoral-college-firewall/comment-page-1/#comment-31091</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toto,

You don&#039;t report the Democratic margins, nor the question wording.  In fact, there are huge partisan differences in how Democrats and Republicans respond to these polls. Nor do most of the polls actually describe what your plan will do.  Instead, many merely ask people if they support an electoral system in which the person who gets the most popular vote becomes president.  For most people, that&#039;s the system in place today!  You present a very misleading use of polling data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toto,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t report the Democratic margins, nor the question wording.  In fact, there are huge partisan differences in how Democrats and Republicans respond to these polls. Nor do most of the polls actually describe what your plan will do.  Instead, many merely ask people if they support an electoral system in which the person who gets the most popular vote becomes president.  For most people, that&#8217;s the system in place today!  You present a very misleading use of polling data.</p>
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		<title>By: toto</title>
		<link>http://sites.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/2012/10/13/about-that-electoral-college-firewall/comment-page-1/#comment-31090</link>
		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With 9 jurisdictions, the bill has 49% of the 270 electoral votes necessary to go into effect.

Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls 

By state (Electoral College votes), by political affiliation, support for a national popular vote in recent polls has been:

Alaska (3) -- 66% among (Republicans), 70% among Nonpartisan voters, 82% among Alaska Independent Party voters
Arkansas (6) -- 71% (R),  79% (Independents). 
California (55) – 61% (R),  74% (I)
Colorado (9) -- 56% (R),  70% (I).
Connecticut (7) -- 67% (R)
Delaware (3) -- 69% (R),  76% (I)
DC (3) -- 48% (R),  74% of (I)
Florida (29) -- 68% (R)
Idaho(4) - 75% (R)
Iowa (6) -- 63% (R) 
Kentucky (8) -- 71% (R),  70% (I)
Maine (4) - 70% (R) 	
Massachusetts (11) -- 54% (R)
Michigan (16) -- 68% (R),  73% (I)
Minnesota (10) -- 69% (R)
Montana (3)- 67% (R)
Mississippi (6) -- 75% (R)
Nebraska (5) -- 70% (R)
Nevada (5) -- 66% (R)
New Hampshire (4) -- 57% (R),  69% (I)
New Mexico (5) -- 64% (R),  68% (I)
New York (29) - 66% (R), 78% Independence, 50% Conservative 
North Carolina (15) -- 89% liberal (R), 62% moderate (R) , 70% conservative (R),  80% (I)
Ohio (18) -- 65% (R)
Oklahoma (7) -- 75% (R) 
Oregon (7) -- 70% (R),  72% (I)
Pennsylvania (20) -- 68% (R),  76% (I)
Rhode Island (4) -- 71% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), 35% conservative (R),  78% (I), 
South Carolina (8) -- 64% (R)
South Dakota (3) -- 67% (R)
Tennessee (11) -- 73% (R)
Utah (6) -- 66% (R) 
Vermont (3) -- 61% (R) 
Virginia (13) -- 76% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), 54% conservative (R)
Washington (12) -- 65% (R)
West Virginia (5) -- 75% (R)
Wisconsin (10) -- 63% (R),  67% (I)
Wyoming (3) –66% (R), 72% (I)
http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With 9 jurisdictions, the bill has 49% of the 270 electoral votes necessary to go into effect.</p>
<p>Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls </p>
<p>By state (Electoral College votes), by political affiliation, support for a national popular vote in recent polls has been:</p>
<p>Alaska (3) &#8212; 66% among (Republicans), 70% among Nonpartisan voters, 82% among Alaska Independent Party voters<br />
Arkansas (6) &#8212; 71% (R),  79% (Independents).<br />
California (55) – 61% (R),  74% (I)<br />
Colorado (9) &#8212; 56% (R),  70% (I).<br />
Connecticut (7) &#8212; 67% (R)<br />
Delaware (3) &#8212; 69% (R),  76% (I)<br />
DC (3) &#8212; 48% (R),  74% of (I)<br />
Florida (29) &#8212; 68% (R)<br />
Idaho(4) &#8211; 75% (R)<br />
Iowa (6) &#8212; 63% (R)<br />
Kentucky (8) &#8212; 71% (R),  70% (I)<br />
Maine (4) &#8211; 70% (R)<br />
Massachusetts (11) &#8212; 54% (R)<br />
Michigan (16) &#8212; 68% (R),  73% (I)<br />
Minnesota (10) &#8212; 69% (R)<br />
Montana (3)- 67% (R)<br />
Mississippi (6) &#8212; 75% (R)<br />
Nebraska (5) &#8212; 70% (R)<br />
Nevada (5) &#8212; 66% (R)<br />
New Hampshire (4) &#8212; 57% (R),  69% (I)<br />
New Mexico (5) &#8212; 64% (R),  68% (I)<br />
New York (29) &#8211; 66% (R), 78% Independence, 50% Conservative<br />
North Carolina (15) &#8212; 89% liberal (R), 62% moderate (R) , 70% conservative (R),  80% (I)<br />
Ohio (18) &#8212; 65% (R)<br />
Oklahoma (7) &#8212; 75% (R)<br />
Oregon (7) &#8212; 70% (R),  72% (I)<br />
Pennsylvania (20) &#8212; 68% (R),  76% (I)<br />
Rhode Island (4) &#8212; 71% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), 35% conservative (R),  78% (I),<br />
South Carolina (8) &#8212; 64% (R)<br />
South Dakota (3) &#8212; 67% (R)<br />
Tennessee (11) &#8212; 73% (R)<br />
Utah (6) &#8212; 66% (R)<br />
Vermont (3) &#8212; 61% (R)<br />
Virginia (13) &#8212; 76% liberal (R), 63% moderate (R), 54% conservative (R)<br />
Washington (12) &#8212; 65% (R)<br />
West Virginia (5) &#8212; 75% (R)<br />
Wisconsin (10) &#8212; 63% (R),  67% (I)<br />
Wyoming (3) –66% (R), 72% (I)<br />
<a href="http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php" rel="nofollow">http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dickinson</title>
		<link>http://sites.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/2012/10/13/about-that-electoral-college-firewall/comment-page-1/#comment-31052</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toto - How likely is it that Republican-leaning &quot;red&quot; states are going to support a reform plan that will likely shift the locus of electioneering to highly populated urban areas?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toto &#8211; How likely is it that Republican-leaning &#8220;red&#8221; states are going to support a reform plan that will likely shift the locus of electioneering to highly populated urban areas?</p>
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