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	<title>Comments on: A Clinton Challenge: Good for Democrats, and Good For The Nation</title>
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		<title>By: kicksotic</title>
		<link>http://sites.middlebury.edu/presidentialpower/2011/08/06/a-clinton-challenge-good-for-democrats-and-good-for-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-19906</link>
		<dc:creator>kicksotic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that hasn&#039;t been addressed is how different the mood is now than it was in 2008.  Obama had a rock star-like quality about him that many people ate right up.  It didn&#039;t matter what he said, it didn&#039;t matter what he did.  He was new and young and black (and not GWB) and, for many, that was enough.  And with the Media completely abdicating any duty whatsoever to question him or his shockingly thin resume -- deciding instead to shrilly scream that Hillary, who just won yet another major Primary she wasn&#039;t supposed to, had to DROP OUT NOW --, most went into the Voting Booths and pulled the lever/pushed the button/spoke into the clown&#039;s mouth to vote for someone they knew very little about.

Fast forward to 2012:  Obama, whose resume we&#039;re now painfully aware of, will face tough questions.  Defend his record.  Defend his decisions.  Explain to the American People why he promised one thing in the campaign and then did the opposite while in Office.  And if there&#039;s something we (kind of) learned about Obama during 2008 and into his Presidency, he doesn&#039;t take kindly to being questioned or having to defend something, i.e. tanking in the last debate and then canceling the next one which would have been the last one.  How will this play out for those Democrats (yes, Democrats!) and Independents who are reluctant to, in their minds, make the same mistake twice?  They may see a less-than-Presidential man once again lecturing us for not supporting him more or trusting him more or something.  Not exactly designed to give the Voter a case of the warm and fuzzies or inspire them to whip out their checkbooks.

One thing I hear a lot of in Democratic circles -- to the point where it&#039;s now becoming a not-so-subtle roar -- is how Hillary never would have capitulated so easily to the Republicans, never would have made deals with them behind the Dem Party&#039;s back, never would have folded so easily without a fight.  What I hear time and again is Hillary is stronger than Obama.  A bare-knuckle fighter who isn&#039;t afraid of the Republican Hate Machine because she&#039;s already faced it and won.  She&#039;s relentless and determined and a ferociously hard worker -- no golf or basketball for her -- and isn&#039;t that, all of that, what the Party needs?

I still think she&#039;ll run because that is, in fact, what the Party needs.

I also hear, and this is truly frightening, people wondering what it&#039;d be like to &quot;make history twice&quot; by voting for a woman.  Even one on a Republican ticket.  Yes, you read that right.  Make history twice.  If the choice is between Obama/Biden -- and the albatross that is their Record and their penchant for punking their own Party -- and an apparently nice Republican guy with an apparently nice (or at least not as scary as she could be) woman as VP, some would be tempted to &quot;make history twice.&quot;  As ridiculous as it sounds, those Party Pooh-Bahs in DC would be wise not to pooh-pooh a Voter&#039;s desire to &quot;make history twice&quot;.

At the end of the day and as ugly as it is (or can be), the Democratic Leadership is obsessed with self-preservation.  If the irrefutable facts (i.e. polls) show that they can keep the White House with Hillary as the Nominee, many of them won&#039;t think twice about throwing their weight behind her.  And, like you said, it&#039;s not like she&#039;s some newbie upstart who&#039;d have to start from scratch in gathering support and money and it&#039;s not like Obama is somehow OWED the Nomination simply because he&#039;s the Incumbent.  It might be good to go back to the days when politicians, especially Presidents, had to earn it.  

My political instincts tell me there are many whispered conversations in many darkened living rooms right now wondering how best to approach Hillary Running.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that hasn&#8217;t been addressed is how different the mood is now than it was in 2008.  Obama had a rock star-like quality about him that many people ate right up.  It didn&#8217;t matter what he said, it didn&#8217;t matter what he did.  He was new and young and black (and not GWB) and, for many, that was enough.  And with the Media completely abdicating any duty whatsoever to question him or his shockingly thin resume &#8212; deciding instead to shrilly scream that Hillary, who just won yet another major Primary she wasn&#8217;t supposed to, had to DROP OUT NOW &#8211;, most went into the Voting Booths and pulled the lever/pushed the button/spoke into the clown&#8217;s mouth to vote for someone they knew very little about.</p>
<p>Fast forward to 2012:  Obama, whose resume we&#8217;re now painfully aware of, will face tough questions.  Defend his record.  Defend his decisions.  Explain to the American People why he promised one thing in the campaign and then did the opposite while in Office.  And if there&#8217;s something we (kind of) learned about Obama during 2008 and into his Presidency, he doesn&#8217;t take kindly to being questioned or having to defend something, i.e. tanking in the last debate and then canceling the next one which would have been the last one.  How will this play out for those Democrats (yes, Democrats!) and Independents who are reluctant to, in their minds, make the same mistake twice?  They may see a less-than-Presidential man once again lecturing us for not supporting him more or trusting him more or something.  Not exactly designed to give the Voter a case of the warm and fuzzies or inspire them to whip out their checkbooks.</p>
<p>One thing I hear a lot of in Democratic circles &#8212; to the point where it&#8217;s now becoming a not-so-subtle roar &#8212; is how Hillary never would have capitulated so easily to the Republicans, never would have made deals with them behind the Dem Party&#8217;s back, never would have folded so easily without a fight.  What I hear time and again is Hillary is stronger than Obama.  A bare-knuckle fighter who isn&#8217;t afraid of the Republican Hate Machine because she&#8217;s already faced it and won.  She&#8217;s relentless and determined and a ferociously hard worker &#8212; no golf or basketball for her &#8212; and isn&#8217;t that, all of that, what the Party needs?</p>
<p>I still think she&#8217;ll run because that is, in fact, what the Party needs.</p>
<p>I also hear, and this is truly frightening, people wondering what it&#8217;d be like to &#8220;make history twice&#8221; by voting for a woman.  Even one on a Republican ticket.  Yes, you read that right.  Make history twice.  If the choice is between Obama/Biden &#8212; and the albatross that is their Record and their penchant for punking their own Party &#8212; and an apparently nice Republican guy with an apparently nice (or at least not as scary as she could be) woman as VP, some would be tempted to &#8220;make history twice.&#8221;  As ridiculous as it sounds, those Party Pooh-Bahs in DC would be wise not to pooh-pooh a Voter&#8217;s desire to &#8220;make history twice&#8221;.</p>
<p>At the end of the day and as ugly as it is (or can be), the Democratic Leadership is obsessed with self-preservation.  If the irrefutable facts (i.e. polls) show that they can keep the White House with Hillary as the Nominee, many of them won&#8217;t think twice about throwing their weight behind her.  And, like you said, it&#8217;s not like she&#8217;s some newbie upstart who&#8217;d have to start from scratch in gathering support and money and it&#8217;s not like Obama is somehow OWED the Nomination simply because he&#8217;s the Incumbent.  It might be good to go back to the days when politicians, especially Presidents, had to earn it.  </p>
<p>My political instincts tell me there are many whispered conversations in many darkened living rooms right now wondering how best to approach Hillary Running.</p>
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		<title>By: teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree about Hillary. She was my choice then and now. Though I appreciated the historical accomplishment of a black man running and winning, Hillary was the obvious best person for the job. At this point, it is like needing a Franklin Roosevelt to pull the country through and Hillary’s it! Can we draft her? I am a life long Democrat but I cannot vote for Obama again. If I do it is with the resignation of just not wanting to see a Republican in office. That was how I voted in 2008. Not again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about Hillary. She was my choice then and now. Though I appreciated the historical accomplishment of a black man running and winning, Hillary was the obvious best person for the job. At this point, it is like needing a Franklin Roosevelt to pull the country through and Hillary’s it! Can we draft her? I am a life long Democrat but I cannot vote for Obama again. If I do it is with the resignation of just not wanting to see a Republican in office. That was how I voted in 2008. Not again.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Lapidus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty Lapidus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In brief, the Category I people are more serious about how to govern.  You can have a serious debate with these candidates.  Huntsman is probably the better prepared of the two because he has gubernatorial and ambassadorial experience (as an Obama appointee!)...but is far less likely to be the nominee.  Romney is smart and sly.  Interesting strategy that he is following this time around: keep a low profile and let the others burn themselves out.  Why sly?  I don&#039;t trust him.  Two examples:  1) His attempts to dance around the differences between the Massachusetts health reform and the federal heath reform acts (perhaps an albatross for him), and 2) yesterday&#039;s Washington Post editorial about a million dollar contribution through a vehicle established and disestablished just as quickly.  This just served to confirm my thoughts.

The Category II candidates are zealots for whom there is only one path: my way.  That is not how the government of the USA is supposed to function.  I find it hard to take them seriously, but I should.  

I also think that, once Romney comes out of his strategic shell, the dynamics of the Republican primary oratory will differ between Category I and II candidates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In brief, the Category I people are more serious about how to govern.  You can have a serious debate with these candidates.  Huntsman is probably the better prepared of the two because he has gubernatorial and ambassadorial experience (as an Obama appointee!)&#8230;but is far less likely to be the nominee.  Romney is smart and sly.  Interesting strategy that he is following this time around: keep a low profile and let the others burn themselves out.  Why sly?  I don&#8217;t trust him.  Two examples:  1) His attempts to dance around the differences between the Massachusetts health reform and the federal heath reform acts (perhaps an albatross for him), and 2) yesterday&#8217;s Washington Post editorial about a million dollar contribution through a vehicle established and disestablished just as quickly.  This just served to confirm my thoughts.</p>
<p>The Category II candidates are zealots for whom there is only one path: my way.  That is not how the government of the USA is supposed to function.  I find it hard to take them seriously, but I should.  </p>
<p>I also think that, once Romney comes out of his strategic shell, the dynamics of the Republican primary oratory will differ between Category I and II candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dickinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 01:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marty - You are right. It &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; premature - a lot can happen in the next year.  As of today, however, it looks like this race will turn on the economy.  Tomorrow?  Who knows?

You say the dynamics will be different based on whether the Republicans nominate Category I versus Category II candidates - but how will it be different?  (I&#039;m not disagreeing - I&#039;m interested in your take).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty &#8211; You are right. It <em>is</em> premature &#8211; a lot can happen in the next year.  As of today, however, it looks like this race will turn on the economy.  Tomorrow?  Who knows?</p>
<p>You say the dynamics will be different based on whether the Republicans nominate Category I versus Category II candidates &#8211; but how will it be different?  (I&#8217;m not disagreeing &#8211; I&#8217;m interested in your take).</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Lapidus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty Lapidus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 01:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, thanks for the reply.  I  think that the dynamics of the race would be different if the Republican nominee were Romney or Huntsman as compared with folks like Bachmann, Palin (unannounced) or Perry (also unannounced).  I realize that I divided these candidates into two parts: the two Mormons who are trying to underplay their religious tradition and the three who are emphasizing their Christian conservatism.  The religious angle for Newt Gingrich is a whole other story from the five mentioned above, but I suspect both of us doubt his viability in becoming the nominee.  I don&#039;t buy your set in stone proposition that the key is &quot;.. for most voters, 2012 won’t be about the Republican so much as it will be a referendum on Obama and the economy.&quot;  You may be right, but it&#039;s premature.  What&#039;s going to happen with the Congressional super-committee?  Afghanistan?  Iraq?  etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, thanks for the reply.  I  think that the dynamics of the race would be different if the Republican nominee were Romney or Huntsman as compared with folks like Bachmann, Palin (unannounced) or Perry (also unannounced).  I realize that I divided these candidates into two parts: the two Mormons who are trying to underplay their religious tradition and the three who are emphasizing their Christian conservatism.  The religious angle for Newt Gingrich is a whole other story from the five mentioned above, but I suspect both of us doubt his viability in becoming the nominee.  I don&#8217;t buy your set in stone proposition that the key is &#8220;.. for most voters, 2012 won’t be about the Republican so much as it will be a referendum on Obama and the economy.&#8221;  You may be right, but it&#8217;s premature.  What&#8217;s going to happen with the Congressional super-committee?  Afghanistan?  Iraq?  etc.</p>
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