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	<title>Comments on: Should Hillary Clinton become the next Secretary of State?</title>
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		<title>By: Cyril Meadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyril Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It now (on Novemeber 23rd) looks as though Hillary Clinton will be the Secretary of State. And so Barack Obama will probably get two back-seat drivers steering policy in opposition to the President&#039;s own desired direction i.e. Hillary &amp; Bill Clinton. Will he have the strength of will or the time to over-ride them? Why would he want to have that hassle?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It now (on Novemeber 23rd) looks as though Hillary Clinton will be the Secretary of State. And so Barack Obama will probably get two back-seat drivers steering policy in opposition to the President&#8217;s own desired direction i.e. Hillary &amp; Bill Clinton. Will he have the strength of will or the time to over-ride them? Why would he want to have that hassle?</p>
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		<title>By: tvdunlop</title>
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		<dc:creator>tvdunlop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, judging from recent events, they haven&#039;t read your blog recently, and they are not particularly smart (although according to the Times official announcements are after Thanksgiving, so I suppose it&#039;s not absolute yet, but say for the sake of discussion that it is true).  Aside from your marginalization point, which of course could happen, I&#039;m curious about Hillary as secretary of state in terms of qualifications, reputation and value. Is there a possibility that these two could form a working, although potentially not close, relationship?  If she is not distinctly marginalized, but rather valued for presenting opposing opinions during the policy formation, while ultimately knowing she has to sell his decisions - is it a smart intellectual choice for a SoS?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, judging from recent events, they haven&#8217;t read your blog recently, and they are not particularly smart (although according to the Times official announcements are after Thanksgiving, so I suppose it&#8217;s not absolute yet, but say for the sake of discussion that it is true).  Aside from your marginalization point, which of course could happen, I&#8217;m curious about Hillary as secretary of state in terms of qualifications, reputation and value. Is there a possibility that these two could form a working, although potentially not close, relationship?  If she is not distinctly marginalized, but rather valued for presenting opposing opinions during the policy formation, while ultimately knowing she has to sell his decisions &#8211; is it a smart intellectual choice for a SoS?</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Matt,

I have been arguing the same thing to my friends and colleagues, who variously love and hate Hillary. I think there is also the bad politics of it - both Obama and the Clintons have their own cadres of supporters, who often don&#039;t see eye to eye (the DLC comes to mind here).

But regarding Hillary and Clintons, they do have a useful role that they can play, no? The SCOTUS idea as it is, with her lacking interest, I would think AG would better play to her strengths and qualifications. On domestic issues, especially as related to the types of cases DOJ would pursue, Sen. Clinton and Pres-E. Obama do have serious levels of agreement. Moreover, she is independent enough that she won&#039;t be seen as an Alberto Gonzales-type yes-man. What do you think? AG Clinton? Would it be good for her and for Obama?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,</p>
<p>I have been arguing the same thing to my friends and colleagues, who variously love and hate Hillary. I think there is also the bad politics of it &#8211; both Obama and the Clintons have their own cadres of supporters, who often don&#8217;t see eye to eye (the DLC comes to mind here).</p>
<p>But regarding Hillary and Clintons, they do have a useful role that they can play, no? The SCOTUS idea as it is, with her lacking interest, I would think AG would better play to her strengths and qualifications. On domestic issues, especially as related to the types of cases DOJ would pursue, Sen. Clinton and Pres-E. Obama do have serious levels of agreement. Moreover, she is independent enough that she won&#8217;t be seen as an Alberto Gonzales-type yes-man. What do you think? AG Clinton? Would it be good for her and for Obama?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dickinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jack - The benefit to putting Clinton on the ticket as VP is her vote-getting power.  Remember, Obama got fewer votes in Ohio than Kerry did. My guess is with Hillary on the ticket, he wins more of those disaffected white, middle to lower income blue collar workers.  Exit polls suggest he lost about 5% of potentially Democratic supporters who backed Hillary in the primaries.  Of course, this would have to be weighted against any votes he might have lost with her on the ticket.  We can&#039;t be certain, but at worse it&#039;s a wash - at best, he increases his popular vote margin of victory with her on the ticket.

As Sec. of State, in contrast, he gets all her negatives with none of the corresponding positives.  And while it&#039;s true that you can&#039;t fire the VP, it&#039;s also true that the VP has no independent base of support.  As Biden will discover, the VP&#039;s influence depends entirely on how willing the President is to expand your portfolio and allow meaningful input. At State, in contrast, you become the de facto face of the nation in most international forums, so your opinion matters and is courted by the media, who will always be looking for signs of differences between Obama and Clinton. And you have institutional leverage by virtue of running the State Department. And the resignation factor cuts both ways - VP&#039;s can&#039;t resign on principle, but Secretaries of State can (and have!) to make a political point.  The biggest issue, of course, is that Clinton ran against Obama by touting her foreign policy credentials, and by taking pretty strong positions contrary to his regarding leaving Iraq.  If he nominates her, after surrounding himself in the White House with former Clinton aides, he pretty much signals that he won the election, but she&#039;s won the policy debate; his movement to the center is now complete. 

It&#039;s true that Hillary lacks seniority in the Senate, but the modern Senate is much less about seniority than it used to be; entrepreneurial junior Senators can always find a platform to heighten their visibility.  And there&#039;s always the Governor&#039;s position in NY, if she wants it.  

I very much doubt any deal was cut before the nomination.  It is simply too risky to even hint at making promises of this type before the election is won.  Talk about measuring the drapes!  At best, he sounded her out about the VP job and she signaled that she wasn&#039;t interested.

As for the Supreme Court - she has said she has no interest. Interestingly (and this gets to Jason&#039;s point), there is a line of argument among political scientists suggesting that the reason court politics have become so polarized is that increasingly presidents have been nominating legal scholars, rather than politicians, to the bench.  The problem is that legal scholars tend to get fixated on legal principles that lead to extreme positions, while politicians are better able to split differences and build working coalitions. To put it another way, we are better off with O&#039;Connors than with Scalia&#039;s (see their positions on Roe v. Wade, Lawrence vs. Texas, etc. )  From this perspective, Clinton would make the ideal supreme court justice. But she doesn&#039;t seem interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack &#8211; The benefit to putting Clinton on the ticket as VP is her vote-getting power.  Remember, Obama got fewer votes in Ohio than Kerry did. My guess is with Hillary on the ticket, he wins more of those disaffected white, middle to lower income blue collar workers.  Exit polls suggest he lost about 5% of potentially Democratic supporters who backed Hillary in the primaries.  Of course, this would have to be weighted against any votes he might have lost with her on the ticket.  We can&#8217;t be certain, but at worse it&#8217;s a wash &#8211; at best, he increases his popular vote margin of victory with her on the ticket.</p>
<p>As Sec. of State, in contrast, he gets all her negatives with none of the corresponding positives.  And while it&#8217;s true that you can&#8217;t fire the VP, it&#8217;s also true that the VP has no independent base of support.  As Biden will discover, the VP&#8217;s influence depends entirely on how willing the President is to expand your portfolio and allow meaningful input. At State, in contrast, you become the de facto face of the nation in most international forums, so your opinion matters and is courted by the media, who will always be looking for signs of differences between Obama and Clinton. And you have institutional leverage by virtue of running the State Department. And the resignation factor cuts both ways &#8211; VP&#8217;s can&#8217;t resign on principle, but Secretaries of State can (and have!) to make a political point.  The biggest issue, of course, is that Clinton ran against Obama by touting her foreign policy credentials, and by taking pretty strong positions contrary to his regarding leaving Iraq.  If he nominates her, after surrounding himself in the White House with former Clinton aides, he pretty much signals that he won the election, but she&#8217;s won the policy debate; his movement to the center is now complete. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that Hillary lacks seniority in the Senate, but the modern Senate is much less about seniority than it used to be; entrepreneurial junior Senators can always find a platform to heighten their visibility.  And there&#8217;s always the Governor&#8217;s position in NY, if she wants it.  </p>
<p>I very much doubt any deal was cut before the nomination.  It is simply too risky to even hint at making promises of this type before the election is won.  Talk about measuring the drapes!  At best, he sounded her out about the VP job and she signaled that she wasn&#8217;t interested.</p>
<p>As for the Supreme Court &#8211; she has said she has no interest. Interestingly (and this gets to Jason&#8217;s point), there is a line of argument among political scientists suggesting that the reason court politics have become so polarized is that increasingly presidents have been nominating legal scholars, rather than politicians, to the bench.  The problem is that legal scholars tend to get fixated on legal principles that lead to extreme positions, while politicians are better able to split differences and build working coalitions. To put it another way, we are better off with O&#8217;Connors than with Scalia&#8217;s (see their positions on Roe v. Wade, Lawrence vs. Texas, etc. )  From this perspective, Clinton would make the ideal supreme court justice. But she doesn&#8217;t seem interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mittell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Mittell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a side note on Jack&#039;s mention of Hillary for Supreme Court: I&#039;d bet a lot against that. Obama was a constitutional law professor - I can&#039;t imagine that he&#039;d take a politician over a jurist or scholar who has focused their career on constitutional law. I&#039;m really excited to see the type of folks he ends of nominating, as it should be different than the typical strategies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a side note on Jack&#8217;s mention of Hillary for Supreme Court: I&#8217;d bet a lot against that. Obama was a constitutional law professor &#8211; I can&#8217;t imagine that he&#8217;d take a politician over a jurist or scholar who has focused their career on constitutional law. I&#8217;m really excited to see the type of folks he ends of nominating, as it should be different than the typical strategies.</p>
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